A question to believers about evolution?
Question by ChooseRealityPLEASE: A question to believers about evolution?
Would you say there is equal probability for crystaline compounds forming in nature (quartz, diamond, etc.) and organic compounds forming in nature (Amino Acids, Lipids, etc.)?
We can and have observed the formation of crystaline compounds in controlled circumstances. We have even witnessed the creation of organic compounds in controlled circumstances. It doesn’t take a big leap to posit that crystaline substances do occur in nature… in fact you can find evidence in any quary or mine. Similarly, it wouldn’t be hard to imagine organic compounds forming through natural chemical processes.
With that said, it doesn’t take a great leap of faith to know there is a good probability that organic compounds can form, unaided, in nature. There is then a great probability that this is how life itself got started.
Your thoughts?
Best answer:
Answer by Reverend Red Mage
GOD DID IT!
There’s your answer from everyone in the Christian camp, sir. I saved you a bunch of time.
*sheathes Ockham’s Razor*
I’d also like to add *glaring at Lion of Judah* that there is NO SCIENCE IN THE GODDAMN BIBLE. None.
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Even if we were to prove that organic life could form spontaneously in nature they would say that it is only because the god set the rules in place that would allow it to happen. We are allowing ourselves to be drawn into an argument that we cannot win becasue the other side keeps agreeing with everything we say and adding “God did it”
The Flying Spaghetti Monster did it by wiggling.
Ramen !
trust me, they wont have a clue to what a lipid is
When you study the intricacies of the human body, I can not see how it could just have evolved on it’s own. The only logical answer I have is that it was created by God.
You are saying something can happen on its own.
O.K.
However, you refer to ‘nature’.
What is its origin?
Its like saying a dust particle appeared in the room.
O.K.
Where did the room come from?
Yes but who is it that made these things possible?
Since the Universe has always existed without man of God’s help, and given enough time, this process could have created God (he had to come from somewhere).
Probably not fact. Careful what you believe one day all answers will come to fruition.
I find it hard to believe nature can take nothing, produce something and then by chance it just keeps getting better with time without any guidance at all.
And God couldn’t have made this happen because…?
To those of us that believe God is the creator of all things, it doesn’t matter how scientific theories explain or support things. To us God is just as responsible for creating the science. Evolution obviously occurs, but that doesn’t mean that God didn’t enact it. One way or another, God created it all.
Ok, evolution…. maybe could of happened….. but not just like that…. but by God…..
Here read about the Big Bang…. which I wrote
http://rapidshare.com/files/8641338/The_Big_Bang_and_the_existence_of_God.pdf.html
How can an arguement be won when you agree with everything we state, then add GOD DID IT to the end of it. Circular, illogical reasoning.
It doesnt take a leap of faith. We can create crystaline formations in a lab – and we can mine them from under the surface of the earth. So, they are there and they exist – because they most likely formed in the same way that they formed in the lab. Not because God put them there.
BOTTOM LINE – is we ALL need to learn how to live with SPIRITUALITY and NOT JUST SCIENCE OR RELIGION.
Say I am hit by a car and left to die in the street. Along comes a samaritan who asks me ‘WHAT HAPPENED’???.
My response (If I was still conscious) might be WHO CARES??? Get me to the hospital!
We should ALL be too busy doing things for others and being kind to argue about this crap.
How did the proper enviornment for them to form come about? If it was any form of environmental evolution then all that actually happend was the winning of a galactic lottery where the mathematical chances are so high that I personally found it much more logical to accept the concept of intelligent desighn or enven outright creation. I only know of one test where a controlled enviorment had orgainic substance form in a replication of theorized ancient atmospheres and that was later proven to be because of faulty setup and that particular theory of atmosphere was later disproven as well. There may be others I am unaware of, but the point is still the same. The controlled enviorments still take intelligence to setup and prepare. It is really hard to sceintifically postualte random chances. Also with amino acids and protiens, DNA is imformation. I f you found Moby Dick laying in the woods you would assume a tree just sucke up some ink and it wrote itself. Why do we do the same with DNA and tertiary protiens?
that’s not how it happened at all–we all started out as god’s–like God and then we de-evolved down to what we are today–some de-evolved faster than others and wound up being critters–the dinosaurs used to be our pets!
Create life then we will talk.
Put up or shut up.
Man will never create anything except from that which already exists.
Say you create an organism.
Did you create the matter first?
NOT !!
Man will never create a living organism or being.
Why? Because his time is limited.
A flesh man has maybe 80 years then He dies.
How much time, thought, and learning do you put in to this subject?
A fraction of that time spent studying God’s Word,
would open your eyes.
THIS FLESH WILL PERISH !!!
Your soul can be eternal.
It’s your decision.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<
Sho-Nuff took care of this one, but he stated something that isn’t such a bad thing. If people are stating that “god did it”, then we can say “why didn’t he tell us so” and they can say “he did its in the bible” and so on and so on… This is a dead issue. Evolution has been proven. Questions regarding the subject seem only to p|ss off the extremists, who aren’t in touch with reality anyway. If religious people want to say that god did it, that’s fine. If thats how they fit it into their belief system- great! Its a step in the right direction at least. Just so that doesn’t end up trying to step its way into the school system- that would definitely put us right back in the same boat we started in- you know… “the shallow end of the gene pool…”
God is sitting in Heaven when a scientist says to Him, “Lord, we don’t need You anymore. Science has finally figured out a way to create life out of nothing. In other words, we can now do what you did in the beginning.”
“Oh, is that so? Tell me,” replies God.
“Well,” says the scientist, “We can take dirt and form it into the Likeness of You and breathe life into it, thus creating man.”
“Well, that’s interesting. Show me.”
So the scientist bends down to the Earth and starts to mold the soil.
“Oh no, no, no,” interrupts God. “Get your own dirt!”
How are crystaline compounds and organic compounds, especially those of sufficient complexity to give form to what we call ‘life’, even remotely comparable?
And here’s a question for you… why can’t a person believe in both evolution and creation? Take chemistry for example… there are a limitless number of compounds inventors take credit for creating. But did they actually create anything? Did they bring matter into existence? No… they set the stage for a reaction to take place… that’s it. Why, then, is it not possible for God’s ‘creation’ to have been, in effect, nothing more than putting the right ingredients, in the right proportions, into the flask he called earth, and with the help of selected catalysts, producing life?
7 days is a short time, if you take the bible literally. But I’d think the concept of creation spanning millions of years might be quite difficult to communicate or comprehend. Isn’t is possible that those days weren’t 24 hours in length? Isn’t it possible that creationism and evolution can co-exist?